I was dying, jealous of Andryusha for Proklova. Larisa Golubkina admitted that Andrei Mironov “quarreled” with her daughter Masha Read an interview with Larisa Golubkina

The legendary Shurochka Azarova from “The Hussar Ballad” told how she committed a great sin in Kyiv, how a madman pretended to be her husband, why her father was secretly proud of her and how she was shaking with fear before going on stage.

- Larisa Ivanovna, I heard that you are in love with our Kyiv. Tell us why exactly.

How can you not love such a beautiful city! It's even funny. I have very interesting memories associated with your capital. When I was involved in the film “Liberation” and flew to you, we were just filming a tank attack near Kiev - there was constant shooting there. There was also a crossing across the Dnieper, and our people fired a machine gun right in the boat. In general, it was incredibly scary, because everything was very natural! And in the film, I’m a nurse, and during a tank attack I had to crawl on my bellies to the wounded. And the soldiers looked at me very jealously - they served in the army and acted in our crowd scenes. All because I held on courageously and did not show fear... But when the shooting ended, I remember how quickly I ran to the hotel: changed clothes and rushed to the plane. And only on the plane I started crying - such was the tension from this Kyiv attack. And my big sin was there... No one had time to look and it turned out that my nails were painted in the frame! The actor, of course, is responsible for his actions, but both the dead man and the costume designer were overlooked. I saw it myself on the screen close-up. I felt really sick. Then, when I bandage it and bring my hand to my face, it’s so visible! I’ve never had my nails painted brightly, but still, what kind of manicure did a nurse have during the war?! And after that, Kyiv stuck right in my head. I constantly remember how I did such an incredible thing there. And then we still lived in the Moscow Hotel - God, what delicious borscht there was with donuts! And, of course, I remember your market. As soon as we got to you, we immediately ran from the train like crazy. Oh, and Chernobyl... That's where the sad memories are... We came literally a couple of weeks after what happened and lived in Kyiv for some time, so then we went to Pripyat to see the military for concerts.

- On the thirteenth of May your creative evening will be held in the capital, what will you please the people of Kiev with?

Oh, I haven’t been to your solo performances for a long time. The last time we came with a performance, we played with Yakubovich. Since I always sing, I think “my” people will remember and come. I will perform old romances. I recently had such an evening in Kharkov, where I was very well and warmly received. So if I am received worse in Kyiv, I will be offended (laughs).

Your dad was initially not delighted with the fact that you chose an acting profession, but you said that after “The Hussar Ballad” he significantly changed his view...

But it seems to me that he was never delighted. We somehow didn’t really convince him. But he didn’t show me his passion for my profession. They claim that somewhere out there, among his friends, he said: “This is my daughter!” - that means he was proud. But he never praised him openly. But this is correct in general - then you are always in good shape.

- Do you praise Masha (Maria Golubkina - famous actress, daughter of Larisa Ivanovna. - Author)?

But Masha herself doesn’t give in to me and doesn’t particularly demand praise from me. Basically, I love my daughter so much that I like everything she does!

- Why did you act so little, because every film with your participation is a colossal success?

Oh, it’s not me you need to ask. This is a whole corporation - decisions of directors, producers, a whole story, if you dig into it, you won’t understand. I worked a lot in the theater. Moreover, right after the first filming, I was still studying... But with the small number of films that I had, I traveled all over the world! These films were shown everywhere at one time, and I had some kind of success. But nevertheless, she did not develop such an insane passion in herself - to conquer the whole world with her creativity. During all this time I did not have a feeling of vanity.

- What do you do 5 minutes before going on stage?

I'm shaking like crazy with fear! Five minutes before leaving, I’m already ready - I’m standing on stage in makeup, repeating the text, remembering the character I’ll play, and I’m very excited. Crazy! But as soon as I go out, make two or three sounds, find my energetic place and start working, I calm down. Sugar goes up (laughs).

- Take care of yourself! Would you agree to play in some project with 120 episodes?

Oh, I won’t lie - it depends on what the role is. And then, now they are filming there to earn money. I won’t be original either by saying that I don’t need money. Maybe I would have agreed, but if the series is a complete mess, I would have refused.

- What’s the amazing story about the guy who pretended to be your husband after the “Hussar Ballad”?

Oh, it was a crazy neighbor who drove a stroller around our house with a doll and said that this was our child. Dad turned him over to the police several times, but they said: “He’s quietly crazy, so we can’t do anything with him.” Well, then we moved, he disappeared and everything went quiet.

- Surely this was more than one madness committed by your fans for your sake?

Oh, my fans were only women, I mean girls. Do you know how they run after show business stars? Crowds followed me like this for 15 years. Crowds! I'm not exaggerating this. But the fact is that I was not very friendly with them, so they took revenge on me: they put matches in locks, set fire to my rugs near the apartment, watched me, my personal life. And once I went to Luzhniki for a concert, and young people nearby were launching a cord aircraft model (an airplane on a cable - author), which reaches speeds of up to 30 km/h. She, you know, flies in a circle, and I fell into this very circle, and the cable tore my cheek. And then I saw the devotion of these girls - they cried so much looking at me! And I thought: how stupid I am for chasing them away! There were also young people, although not many of them - very funny and strange, not like, you know, rollicking men. They ran with these girls.

Didn’t you meet Robert De Niro during the opening of his Moscow restaurant, because he communicated with Andrei Mironov (Golubkina’s second husband. - Author)?

Has the restaurant opened? Dont know. No, we haven't met. He and Andryusha were really friendly, but they only saw each other in person two or three times, and then they passed notes to each other. We contacted Robert when we were making a film about Andryusha, but he kindly replied that if he was really familiar with his work, then he would be happy to participate.

- You have two grandchildren growing up, how do you like to spend time with them?

I have wonderful grandchildren! I do homework with them, Vanya can play the violin for me, and I can sing along with him. He accompanies with pleasure. And Nastya plays the piano with us.

- So you will soon have your own orchestra!

I think yes! They are charming, obedient children. They love their mother, they love their father. Nastya has been skating for seven years, but now she has switched to tennis, and she also studies at an English school. She is also good at skiing and snowboarding, Vanya also skis. So kids are athletic. And you can always talk with them about something interesting. Here recently Vanya was interested in the civil war and revolution, asked about Comrade Lenin. She told everything as best she could.

- Was Masha a fast girl or a calm one?

Masha was a unique thinker. Her conversational genre was incredibly developed. Here she already told me who Lenin was. She said “the leader of the working people” (laughs).

- Do you like modern music in general? Maybe you would like to sing a duet with one of the pop singers?

I love, love, love jazz! And in general she is a very musical girl. But I’m not going to sing with any “butt” (laughs). I think I’m not at that age anymore - I don’t want to say that I’m some kind of old woman - but the moment comes when you need to be more... academic or something.

- Since we’re talking about age: you have an anniversary next year...

Oh, don’t count how many there will be! We won’t do anything (laughs). Don't want. I don't like it. I haven't celebrated a single anniversary. Not because I'm afraid that I look bad. I think when I’m in Kyiv, the audience will be able to evaluate what I am like today. And for now I manage without operations. I just don't like them.

- Do you generally like gifts?

By and large, I probably love them, but I can’t say that they are given to me. Yes, I don’t even really dream about something like that. Well, maybe someone will give me a five-carat diamond and I’ll put it on my tooth, behind my cheek and walk around.

Are there things about which you would like to say: “And besides the fact that I’m a good actress, I’m great at doing…”?

Now I’ll go make delicious cutlets. I mixed something interesting: meat, grated one new potato, white bread, an egg, two large mushrooms. I'll add some onion and garlic and see what happens. I've never made this before, but I think it will be very tasty. I’ll give the dog another treat (Larissa Ivanovna has a Yorkshire terrier - author) - we just walked with her, I washed her thoroughly, and now let’s go eat.

- I know that you are an excellent driver and love to ride. Do traffic cops stop you often?

Yes, I've been driving for 30 years. They stop from time to time. Recently I stopped one, I even wondered why, I told him: “Well, do you think I’m drunk?” And he answers me so indignantly: “What, women don’t drink?” I say: “I don’t drink. Well, it’s indecent to stop a lady!” After all, I’m not some snotty girl, I’m driving with a cigarette in my teeth. But I’m still fastened in a very strange way - I hold the belt under my arm, and they think that I’m not fastened. But my breasts are bothering me! But I won’t explain to them that my breasts are in the way! (laughs)

- Will they find out when they stop you?

Previously, of course, all the traffic cops knew by sight, but now another generation has arrived. Very young boys, why should I talk to them? I am serious with them, only on business.

- What are you most afraid of in life?

Yes, I've always been a coward. After “The Hussar Ballad” I really started running away from people. Now, of course, I am more open. And then I tried not to run into people, and instead of communicating flirtatiously, I hid. Because it was all very unnatural - you graduated from school two years ago, acted in a movie - and they immediately turn you into some kind of incomprehensible celestial being and demand God knows what from you, expect some incredible deeds from you, both good and bad. bad... This is all very dangerous, so I tried to get away from it. And I didn’t regret it at all. Thanks to this manner of behavior, to this day I have no aftertaste from communicating with people, and this is very difficult to maintain.

-Have you suffered from the notorious crisis yet?

And I live in crisis all the time! (laughs) Now I only have 600 rubles - they are in my bag. And tomorrow, maybe I’ll find it somewhere else. And no problems. I live for today, and I don’t keep any savings. True, I might run out of gas - I’ll have to refuel, but I think I’ll live until payday.

- Can you turn to Masha for financial help if necessary?

Never. And she doesn’t turn to me, and I don’t turn to her. And not because we are so principled. I know that she will help me out in difficult times, but now why bother?

Which public person - politicians, cultural figures, artists - can you call a real hussar today?

Yes, I don’t even know what hussarism is. But if I was a “real hussar,” then let everyone come to me (laughs). Now the time is absolutely not hussars - global warming. No duels, horses, sabers. In principle, there should be honor and valor, but I don’t see them yet either. It seems to me that another very important quality has now been lost - conscience. Even today this is more important than love. Let’s say you won’t love very much, but if you are a conscientious person, you won’t allow yourself much. Or you can pretend to love and be absolutely shameless, allow yourself a lot, because “I love.” I believe that conscience is something from God, and for many it is lost.

STAR FAMILY. Larisa Golubkina was born on March 9, 1940 in Moscow. Larisa wanted to become an actress from early childhood. Graduated from GITIS. In the early 70s, Golubkina married cameraman and director Nikolai Shcherbinsky and soon gave birth to a daughter, Masha. But after two years, this marriage broke up, and father and daughter did not see each other. By this time, she had already known Andrei Mironov for a long time, who, while still a 22-year-old guy, proposed marriage to Golubkina, but then she “did not want a close relationship,” and they remained good friends. And in 1974, Golubkina and Mironov crossed paths again. At that time, he was already married to actress Ekaterina Gradova (“Seventeen Moments of Spring”), they also had a daughter, Masha. But this family also fell apart. Mironov moved in with his parents. Then a relationship arose between the actors again. Larisa and Andrey lived together for 14 years. And on August 16, 1987, Mironov died. After his death, Golubkina never got married. And their two daughters Masha from their first marriages also became famous actresses. Maria Golubkina was married to the famous showman Nikolai Fomenko, with whom she has two children: 11-year-old Nastya and 6-year-old Vanya.

14 MOVIES, BUT WHAT ONE! Having graduated from the musical comedy department of GITIS in 1964, Golubkina immediately became an actress of the Central Academic Theater of the Soviet Army (now the Russian Army), Larisa Ivanovna has been working there now - for 44 years! When young Golubkina was a second-year student, Eldar Ryazanov invited her to star in “The Hussar Ballad.” After his triumphant debut, Golubkina was carried in the arms of the entire Union. Then came bright roles in the films “Give me a book of complaints!”, “Day of Happiness”, “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”, “Liberation”, “Three in a Boat, not counting the dog” (the only joint work with her husband Andrei Mironov), etc. The actress's filmography includes only 14 films, the last of which was released just 2 years ago. This is “Picturesque Adventure”, where Golubkina played with her daughter.

– No, this film is the main guide in my life. I was then studying at the department of musical comedy (at GITIS. – Antennas’ note) and would have become an opera or operetta artist, but “The Hussar Ballad” took me in a different direction. They say that I didn’t act much, but this picture was made for me. As for the anniversary, they used to be celebrated on a grand scale. I remember that in 2002 we celebrated our 40th anniversary in Anapa at a festival. It was good... In 2012, Ryazanov celebrated his 50th anniversary in his Eldar club. They put on a performance, I made myself a beautiful dress and sang songs from this film. And now there is no one to celebrate with. There's no one left but me...

– Do you remember what you spent your first salary on?

– I remember that after the release of “The Hussar Ballad” I began to receive mountains of letters and many immediately began to ask for financial assistance. They decided that since I starred in such a movie, I must be very rich. And I was my mother and father’s daughter, I lived on their salary and at first I didn’t even know that they paid in the movies. Then there was a scandal when one cameraman wrote to the Mosfilm newspaper that they were not explaining to young actors that they were working for real, for money. After this article, the director called me and asked why I didn’t contact him about my salary. And I was so glad that I was approved that at first I filmed for free!

Photo by Anatoly Lomokhov/Legion-Media

– When I watch programs with your participation, I don’t change the channel - you’re always so open, your stories are so interesting! Have you ever had a period of star fever?

– Thank you for the nice words! But, in my opinion, audiences just love arrogant, aloof, mysterious actors. They begin to talk a lot about them and become interested in their lives. I'm open to everyone. When I was young, my dad told me: “Fame is a very difficult thing. If you get carried away, then you won’t come back to us. Be attentive to yourself and your actions." I listened to him. He didn’t praise me, but said that everyone could do this. Although he himself understood that not everything.

– What gifts or signs of attention from fans do you remember?

– After I played the cavalry girl, a lot of girls from 17 years old started running after me, just a herd. They organized a real pilgrimage to my house. I never liked it, I hid. They chased me in a taxi, they could put matches in the lock in the apartment where I lived, so that it would be difficult for me to enter, and they were right there - jumping out of the elevator. They were very careful about my morality. And endless flowers - all 55 years!

– Your grandchildren (children of Maria Golubkina and Nikolai Fomenko. – Antenna’s note) were born after their grandfather Andrei Mironov passed away. What is the most important thing you tell about him?

– My life together with Andrei Alexandrovich began in 1974. He was a very delicate person towards the audience. Well-mannered. If some reckless situation happened, it was not Andryusha’s fault, but the audience themselves. If someone shouted something from the audience, then, being a person with a great sense of humor, he could answer. He kept people at a distance. It was impossible to sit on his head and ride.

– How did you feel about your daughter Maria’s divorce from Nikolai Fomenko and her relationship with Boris Livanov?

– I love my daughter and trust her. I respect her choice. I believe that every person should take care of his life independently, and it’s not my business to guess what and how.

Photo “Instagram” by Maria Golubkina

– How do your grandchildren feel about your popularity? Are they proud or, on the contrary, do they not advertise their relationship? And what successes are you most proud of?

– Grandchildren never understand what kind of grandparents they have. They don't care whether they are famous or not, as long as they are alive and well and have good relationships throughout their lives. And I’m never proud of anything, I just feel very comfortable inside from our communication with them. I love them all. Once I was on a train in Germany with a lady for four hours, and all these four hours she talked in wild delight about her grandchildren. And I was so tired and just thought: why doesn’t she understand that I also have someone to talk about, but after her I don’t want to talk even more. To say so nakedly: what kind of hair, eyes, how they love their grandmother - there is no need to chat about it. I’ll share a little with Antenna readers. Granddaughter Anastasia, she is 19 years old, studies in England, and she is doing well. Knows English at a decent level and does not forget Russian. She’s dating some Norwegian, but I’ve never seen him. Grandson Ivan is a slalom skier at the age of 15. I used to play the violin, but now I’ve put it away somewhere.

– Tell us in which performances you can be seen this season.

– At the Central Academic Theater of the Russian Army - in the performances “Ma-Mure” and “South/North”. At the Pushkin Theater I play “Bachelorette Club”. And sometimes there is an enterprise “Pygmalion” - in the “Theatrium on Serpukhovka” and in the “Commonwealth of Taganka Actors” theater. Welcome!

Being married to Larisa Golubkina for 14 years, Andrei Mironov remained attractive to many women. It is interesting that the fame of a Don Juan overtook him after his death. First one or another actress (not always famous) talked about her relationship with him. Larisa Ivanovna once told about how her husband was infatuated with young Elena Proklova.

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“He was a sweet, nice man, he loved women, like all men. Everyone who is alive now pretends to be a saint, although they could give Andrei Alexandrovich a head start. In front of me, he did not demonstrate his love for others. He talked about some of his women that he had before me, he liked my reaction - I laughed,” Sobesednik.Ru quotes Larisa Golubkina.

Golubkina does not like to talk about her marriage to Andrei Mironov. Earlier in an interview, she said: “When you are proposed to almost for the fourth time in your life, from a young age... It had to happen. My dad also told me: “Remember, Andrey is yours.”. My father, do you understand?!" Golubkina responded about her relationship with the actor as follows: "He didn’t beat me, that’s for sure. Didn't throw a tantrum, that's for sure. We didn’t make it in 14 years. Quite the opposite, we were already developing such a relationship that the further into the forest, the more firewood, in the sense that the better we adjusted to each other, got used to it more and more, loved more and more... We grew up in the relationship. And adulthood became stronger, more stable..."

After Mironov's death, Larisa Golubkina did not marry. “I never had a pathological approach to the word “marriage” at all, even from a young age. There was no such problem that they wouldn’t take me, I’ll get old. True, I’m not flirting now. “The Hussar Ballad” had such a good effect on me.” , – said the actress.

Larisa was born in Moscow in 1940. Her father was a military man, and her mother worked as a cutter. When talking about her parents, the actress always uses superlatives, calling her mother a truly magical woman, and her father, of course, a real man. After Larisa was born, he allowed his mother not to work, and she happily devoted her free time to her daughter.

Larisa literally began to dream of the stage from the age of three. As a very little girl, the future star enjoyed singing and performing little skits in front of her parents and guests, always being a little shy. “Turn off the lights and turn away!” — the girl asked, getting ready to speak.

Her parents laughed and encouraged her passion for singing. When Golubnika turned seven and it was time to go to school, her mother suggested enrolling her in a music class - a vocal class. The father, who wanted his daughter to develop, did not object. His distrust of the artist's profession will appear a little later.

By high school it became clear: Larisa is more passionate about music than any other subject. She is seriously planning to go to theater school. The brave military man, who considers acting a waste of time, could not bear this.

Strict dad

He directly expressed his attitude towards the profession and did not allow his daughter to even get close to musicians and artists. On vacation in Sochi, having found himself in a cheerful singing company, he did not refuse to spend time with the guys, but constantly shouted: “Don’t even look at my daughter!”

And one day, a strict dad literally drove the famous actress away from young Larisa on the street when she asked the girl the time. Without hesitation, he told the actress that he considered her social status lower than that of the daughter of a military man.

So that Larisa would not even think about preparing for theater, her dad forcibly sent her to courses at the university. I chose natural sciences - for several months Golubkina attended preparatory course lectures in physics and chemistry.

But it was impossible to break the determined girl. Hiding her decision from her father, but having received her mother’s blessing, she graduated from eight classes and entered the Moscow Music Pedagogical School.

For some time, the future star managed to lead her dad by the nose, but then she still had to admit that she was no longer a schoolgirl. However, dad did not lose hope that after college his daughter would finally come to her senses and enter a serious university to get a good profession.

Hussar

Give me a book of complaints (1965)

But Larisa did not change her mind. Having acquired a diploma from a music school, she headed to GITIS, where she passed the exams without any problems and began studying in the music department. For another whole year, dad will be indignant and protest, and then Eldar Ryazanov himself will call Larisa for one very interesting role...

Many adult and experienced actresses planned to play an ambiguous character - a girl pretending to be a boy. But none of them could fit into the image organically.

Meanwhile, GITIS staged the play “A Long Time Ago” based on the same work. The main role was played by sophomore Golubkina. Ryazanov, knocked off his feet in search of his Shurochka, was amazed by her youthful enthusiasm and skill.

The actress recalls that, having received such an offer from the master, she did not go, but literally ran to Mosfilm. When they put the uniform on her, no one had any doubts - Shurochka stood in front of the film crew!

Star

The highest... (1967)

In her interviews, Golubkina often said that at that time she really was a real Shurochka from the “Hussar Ballad” - a lively and energetic daredevil, ready for any adventure. This is probably why the image was so easy for her.

Larisa's film debut turned out to be triumphant. She immediately became in great demand among directors, found herself busy in the theater and was constantly invited to more and more new film roles.

After her “Shurochka”, even the strict father began to treat the profession of an actress with understanding. What can we say about the numerous fans and followers of Shurochka’s image.

The actress says that among the fashionistas of the capital, girls immediately appeared who desperately copied the hussar style. Tight trousers and high boots, short haircuts and, unfortunately for Golubkina, smoking came into fashion.

The actress has always protested against this addiction and believes that it does not make a woman beautiful. Larisa was very annoyed that because of her character, the girls began to smoke and speak in a specially lowered voice.

Among the fans there were also those who could not come to terms with their sexuality and rushed from one extreme to another. In particular, girls began to court Larisa - rude and angular, as she herself characterizes them. It was interesting that when the actress married Mironov, these girls immediately turned their attention to him!

Andrey

And she met her star husband at the birthday party of her friend, actress Natalie Fateeva. Mironov was then terribly in love with Fateeva. She had no intention of reciprocating the young actor’s feelings and introduced him to Larisa.

Soon Golubkina won the attention of Mironov. Today the actress does not hide the fact that it was he who became her first man. She kept her virginity until she was 23 years old - primarily to prove to her dad the nobility of the acting profession and the absence of promiscuity in these circles.

And she calls Mironov true love, who turned out to be worthy of her first night. Terribly amazed by this circumstance, the actor immediately made an offer to Golubkina, which she refused and amazed him again. After all, everyone wanted to marry Mironov, but Larisa did not.

After that short romance, their paths diverged. Golubkina even began to live with her new lover, screenwriter Nikolai Shcherbinsky-Arsenyev. They did not get married, even when Larisa became pregnant, and a few years after Masha’s birth, they separated altogether.

In the same year when Golubkina gave birth to her Masha, Mironov gave birth to his own Masha - the today famous actress Maria Mironova. But the marriage with Ekaterina Gradova, Masha’s mother, did not work out.

Therefore, when fate brought Andrei and Larisa together again in the mid-70s, each of them was already living separately from their spouses. Gossips claim that the officially married Mironov immediately moved in with Golubkina.

Family

No need to be sad (1985)

But the actress corrects: he moved only when she received separate housing. The artist actually divorced later than he and Larisa began the last and longest affair of his life.

They lived together for ten years, which the actress remembers with the warmest words, but without denying that in their ordinary family, just like in others, there could be minor quarrels. But she knew how to shut up in time - she loved Mironov and was afraid that he would leave.

Golubkina, of course, knew that Mironov was living with a diagnosis that did not allow the kind of emotional overload that he allowed. When her husband died, she endured it courageously.

Larisa Ivanovna recalls that everyone around was whispering: why didn’t she throw herself from a high-rise building and throw a tantrum? But the actress firmly decided not to put on a show for onlookers and experienced her grief without prying eyes demanding spectacle.

Today Larisa Ivanovna tours a lot and sometimes takes part in television projects. For example, in 2015, the actress was a participant in the show “Exactly the Same.”

Hussar Ballad (1962)

Interviewed by Dmitry Tulchinsky, Russia

“...Andrey was always waiting for some kind of response from the outside, but everyone was silent. It was sad and crazy. After the premiere of “Woe from Wit,” everyone came to us at once, there was a party: they drank and had a snack. And nothing about the premiere - silence. Not a word! And then Grisha says: “Listen, Andryush, I had the impression that a cool city touring performer came to a provincial town and played Chatsky...”

About what was hidden from the audience's eyes, about what Mironov was like when the curtain closed. The famous actress Larisa Golubkina openly spoke about how only she knows him, about her Andryusha.

We lived together for 14 years, and now we have been without him for 25 years. It would seem, yes? — Larisa Ivanovna looks around. “But nothing has changed in my house, everything is as it was. Well, except that I did minor repairs three times during this time: different wallpaper, different flooring, changed something in the bathroom - the neighbors flooded it, so I had to. And so - everything is the same. I remember Mark Zakharov was still very surprised: “I have a feeling that these years seemed to never exist - everything is as before.” For some reason, everyone was sure that after Andryusha’s death I would change everything here: I would break down the walls, do European-quality renovations... No, everything was in complete peace. And he, I think, would now continue to revel here in the same way - in a good way. It was at home that he liked it. If we lived together... I say “if only” all the time, because you never know, maybe some young girl would have beaten him off - men have such cloudings in their heads. And if not, then everything would be the same as before, except that we would have a larger apartment. After all, the year when Andryusha died, we already signed a letter for an expanded area - I just didn’t take advantage of it and didn’t go with widow’s tears in my eyes to ask for another apartment. Somehow it was not before...

- Larisa Ivanovna, you didn’t get along as youngsters, in general...

No, we met just as youngsters - at 22 years old. And they got together many years later, when they had already sipped something: he drank, and so did I. In general, we both ran through life like crazy. People are running away like the plague. And we met on this run...

- Is it true that Mironov sought you out for a long time, and you refused him?

Well, how can I say... I won’t take it upon myself to say that Andrei, supposedly poor, was wooing me, and I looked at him condescendingly. This is all untrue. The truth is that he proposed to me when we were still very young. I had a one-room apartment, and he already had one by that time. In those years! Can you imagine?! He tells me: “You have an apartment, I have an apartment. Let's get married". I remember the first time he invited me to visit... (Larisa Ivanovna laughed.) I come to him and ring the doorbell. Andrei Aleksandrovich opens: in a black and gray robe, a shawl collar - you know, he’s such a gentleman. I tell him: “Sorry, Andryush, I won’t go to you, you’re in a dressing gown. Put on your tuxedo, then I'll come in. I’ll go for a walk, I’ll be back in a few minutes so that I’m dressed.” I come and look - he’s standing in a tuxedo with a bow tie: “Is that okay with you?” Oh, that was so funny!

- Why did he propose to you so persistently?

I won’t say that I fell madly in love with me, like crazy. No, of course, he didn’t know me at all, not from any side. But he liked me. Then, I'm a famous artist. And Andryusha was terribly fond of famous artists, you can’t imagine. Another very famous artist, Natalya Fateeva, introduced me to him. “I know who your man is,” - it was with her light hand that we recognized each other.

- Is it known that he was in love with Fateeva?

Yes, but she very quickly dismissed it in my direction. And Andrei instantly changed his mind. After all, I was also a famous artist, and his “The Diamond Arm” was only released in 1969. How many times did he tell me: “Lariska, we need to make a family (with the emphasis on the first syllable).” And one day he said: “My God, Larisa, it’s time to end all the searches and stupid experiments. We need to be together." “Andryush,” I say, “we don’t love each other.” He answered me: “Laris, we will fall in love later.” And you know, he was right. Young people usually get married like crazy at an early age: hormones are playing, passion is boiling. And family life is not a game of hormones, it is a kind of creative process.

“Because of his illness, Andrei even sent his mother to his mother.”

At the Theater of Satire, Mironov was the undisputed number one. And at the same time, as far as we know, he had a very difficult relationship with Pluchek...

No, they were like father and son. Pluchek dominated Andryusha, and as soon as he felt that he had become mature, he began to pull him back ever so slightly. Well, you know, how a father keeps his son in check - there’s no point in running into hell with his dad. That is, he was calm about both concerts and his films - he just didn’t want Andrei to be the director.

- Some kind of jealousy?

I think yes. And Andryusha was afraid of Pluchek - in this regard, he was like his mother. I remember Sheintsis Oleg told him: “Stop it right now, you need to grow up - how long will you be like a boy?!” This is what I remember for sure. And “Shadow” - Andryushin’s performance - was great! And how Sheintsis (production designer - Ed.) made it - oh!.. But Pluchek closed it immediately after Andryushin’s death. And before that there were some scandals and hysterics. But Pluchek did not have time to strangle the director in him - Andryusha died.

- Which of your roles did Andrei Aleksandrovich mark as a great success, and which as a failure?

He didn't note anything. He was always waiting for some kind of response from the outside, but everyone was silent. It was sad and crazy. So he came after the premiere - all his friends were sitting here... And his friends didn’t really say anything to him. For some reason I remembered one phrase that Grisha Gorin said. After the premiere of “Woe from Wit,” everyone came to us at once, there was a party: they drank and had a snack. And nothing about the premiere - silence. No, to say: listen, what a good performance! Well, or lousy - it doesn’t matter. No, not a word! And then Grisha says: “Listen, Andryush, I had the impression that a cool city touring performer came to a provincial town and played Chatsky.” That's all he told him.

It’s unclear whether to be happy about this or to be upset... But there were a lot of things that were fired just like a cannon salvo. All of Moscow went to see The Government Inspector and The Marriage of Figaro. I'm not talking about films...

This is an audience reaction and has nothing to do with the theatrical organism. And if we now rummage through the criticism of that time, then Andryusha was not very praised. We even noticed...

“That’s the way it is in Russia: people become geniuses only after death.”

Yes. And I always say: you need to help a person, somehow lift him up a little, and do this during his lifetime. And everyone is stingy. Nothing, they say, that’s enough for him, he’s already in complete chocolate.

- I remember Mironov’s last roles - they are sadder and sadder...

Yes. But the most “dirty” work, it seems to me, in terms of sadness, is what he and Chursina did - the film-play “White Roses, Pink Elephants.” He looks and says directly into the frame: “Where are all the people going?” And he has such a haggard face, tired. Just ready to die. Moreover, this was filmed in May, and April-May were the most difficult months for him. Apparently, at this time Andryusha’s aneurysm was working hard, from which he died, the blood was flowing quickly, and he would sometimes start talking. Back then they didn’t understand what was going on. They thought: well, he was sitting in the company, probably drinking. And he could say something to a complete stranger that he would never allow himself in his life. I say: “Andryush, what did you say to Lenochka?” He: “What! Did I tell her that?!” That is, it was like an obsession. And now I understand: we all have a vault in our heads, we secretly keep something there: our dreams, our anger, our joy - whatever. And we don’t give away our secret thoughts. And when the blood rushes at breakneck speed, everything flies out of this box, and you can wrap it up!..

- And what phrases did he come out with?

Rough. Something that, in principle, was impossible to hear from him. And even to my mother, as I remember - thank God, she didn’t hear. It was just in April, we arrived in the city of Zhdanov, and in response to some random phrase he said: “Fuck you!..”

- Then, probably, there was no time to engage in treatment?

And then they couldn’t treat it. We didn’t take these pictures, these operations. And it turns out that with such an aneurysm, Andryusha could not be an artist. Because I know from experience that an artist’s blood pressure rises sharply on stage. And it was already elevated for him.

“Mironov was behind me, like behind a wall”

- Could Mironov start talking on stage?

Not on stage. But! On the day of his death he had a severe headache. That day he played tennis for two more hours in the sun. Maybe if I had waited a couple more days - I would have lain down, rested, and not played tennis - everything would have calmed down. And so... The sun was strong, it was very hot - I remember everyone kept pestering him about why he wasn’t wearing a hat. Andryusha was still as red as a tomato. The face is red... In general, there were very strong magnetic storms that day. I can’t understand what it was, I just remember: we were waiting for Andryusha to drive up to our hotel, pick up Shura Shirvindt, and they would go to the performance. And suddenly... they fell asleep. Me, Masha, my friend, her son - everyone fell asleep. I have never slept like this in my life, I don’t sleep deeply at all, I only fall asleep with sleeping pills. And on this day - the day of Andryusha’s death - we all slept until eight o’clock, just like the dead. Moreover, when I woke up, I went into the wall - that was such unconsciousness, you know? I think there were very strong magnetic storms...

- In general, do the events of that day often pop up in your head?

No, we’re talking to you now - I remember. In general, over these 24 years I have somehow moved to a state where a person is not there, but the feeling of his presence still exists. Always, constantly. And I understood why it was. Because you are with his existence... They say: a person will live as long as we remember him. If I had gotten married after Andryusha’s death, maybe I would have switched to something else. No, I already have something to switch to - I have wonderful grandchildren, I love Masha: we see each other and communicate. But this is some kind of different life, this is completely different... Besides, Andryusha is some kind of phenomenon, a human phenomenon. I always talk about him not as an actor, but as a person. This is why people are interested in him. Other actors might have been better. And they sang better. But he had such attractiveness!..

- You said: “If I got married.” Did you have such thoughts?

Did not have. I never had any thoughts on this topic at all. Even when I was young, I didn’t want to get married. I have a certain idea about marriage - that if a man appears in your life, he completely takes you over. And he is responsible for you, and he makes you. That is, precisely “for the husband.” Like behind a wall, you know? This has never happened to me, and it probably couldn’t have happened. And Andryusha was not a wall for me - I will take the liberty of saying that he was behind me, like behind a stone wall... And if I had met a man behind whom I was like behind a wall, I would not even be an artist became. If only there were a healthy Russian woman, she would give birth to four children and raise them.

Larisa Ivanovna, 25 years have passed. And you talk about Mironov as if everything happened yesterday. Is this still your current life?

Actually, I want to tell you this thing. Once, about five years ago, I went to Switzerland with one of my friends. One evening, when we had already returned from the mountains, from various swimming pools, we bought some very good Swiss wine, lit candles, drank, and talked. From time to time, somehow involuntarily, in connection with something, the topic of Andryusha arose in my mind. Moreover, it seemed to me, completely unobtrusively, without filling the atmosphere. And suddenly she says to me: “Laris, how many years ago did Andryusha die?” And probably twenty years have already passed. “Why do you keep talking about him?” I was terrified. I felt so uncomfortable! “What do you mean, all the time? Not all the time, I’m like that, by the way...” And then I put myself in her place - she kept telling me about her diabetes, that her sugar was rising. And from morning to night. And you know, then I pulled myself together, I thought: that’s it, I won’t bother her with these conversations... Do you understand what the thing is? You told me just now: “It’s like yesterday.” And just yesterday at one event I saw: Shura Shirvindt is coming, Zakharov. And some of them are old. But it really seems to me that it was yesterday, some freshness of perception still exists. It would be nice if this freshness was still present for some time. To avoid insanity. So that the insanity does not get stronger... And what I am saying about Andryusha is because we are talking about this now. And if so... Then you can do nothing else at all, but just talk about Andryusha. All 25 years...

Interviewed by Dmitry Tulchinsky, Russia